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New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

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New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by downhill_biker on Wed 10 Jul 2013, 3:10 pm

My wife and I are just getting back into kayaking. She is decent, I'm a newbie. We want to do light trekking and light rivers. We want storage for camping, and I would like to do a lot of fishing. My question is, should I get a fishing kayak and use it for other stuff, or should I get a light trekking kayak and use pole holders for fishing?

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by downhill_biker on Wed 10 Jul 2013, 3:17 pm

I was leanning toward a fishing kayak with removable pedal propulsion, but worried it wouldn't work if I wanted to kayak weber river or eventually green river.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by Displaced in the Desert on Thu 11 Jul 2013, 12:36 am

Those Hobies are big bucks!

You could get a decent fishing kayak and a river kayak for what a pedal power rig would cost.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by downhill_biker on Thu 11 Jul 2013, 12:46 am

Ya, I've done more research and been to more stores, right now I'm liking the,moken 10 light or moken 12.5. I'll be doing manual paddling...

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by Jeff Young on Thu 11 Jul 2013, 11:15 pm

Flatwater- http://nativewatercraft.com/
Same company as Liquid Logic.
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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by Displaced in the Desert on Fri 12 Jul 2013, 10:13 am

First let me qualify my statements, I own 3 kayaks, a canoe, a raft and a 19' powerboat.

I like fishing from the kayak, it's a big 13.5.  I have it set up with a depth sounder, multiple rod holders, a big milk crate and a place for a cooler.  It works well.  The only drawback is getting in and out and that after several hours I get cramped up.

The canoe I have is a small single person super light weight model.
Given the chance I would not have the fishing kayak and would instead have a bigger canoe to fish from.  A canoe can hold more and is easier to move about in.  Bigger cooler, more tackle, a second person, easier to stand up in, easier to get in and out and if you want you can even put a small motor on it. They also hold more gear and can be outfitted with floatation and a cover.
Just a better all around fishing machine, IMHO.

For rivers, a kayak is better, any "fishing" kayak is not going to be very good for river.  Fishing kayaks are meant to be big and stable and to track well.  In a river this will put you sideways unless you are moving faster than the current or facing upstream or sitting in an eddy.

For rivers, you want a "river" kayak, one with rocker so it turns and spins easy, not tracks well.  For UT rivers you want something that can play, as our most usable rivers are short and not big water.  You want to be able to surf, do endo's, squirts, spalts and things like that to keep it fun.  This means a bottom that has some flatness and ends that have a flat top rather than a round top meant to repel water.
 Round top boats meant to repel water are more for class 3 and above where you don't want the boat to submarine.  Round top boats are best for big water decents during run-off or up in WY or ID.  They don't have flat bottoms because you don't want them to surf unexpectedly.
If you're good enough to do flips and cartwheels, then you want an even more specailized kayak designed for rodeo work. 

Now, if you are good enough, like some paddlers on this site, you can make about any boat work about anywhere. But they will also be the guys who own several kayaks, of several types, designed for several specific purposes.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by dman on Fri 12 Jul 2013, 6:48 pm

If you want a good all arounder, look at the Liquid logic XP 10.  Jack of all trades and master of none.  I did my first white water trip down the sevier river last week and it treated me really well considering I have absolutely no  experience on the river in a kayak.  I use is all the time to fish with on lakes and rigged up with a rod holder it has done very well.  There is one on KSL with a spray skirt for $625 and if I didn't already own two I'd snatch it up.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by downhill_biker on Sat 13 Jul 2013, 8:34 am

Thanks for all the great info. I ended up getting a boat at backcountry. I got the Feelfree Moken 12.5. It is a great fishing boat and I think will meet my needs on a river or on a lake.

I should have told you guys that I am 6'9" and 300 lbs. I also wanted to steer clear of sit in kayaks as I am somewhat claustrophobic. I don't know that I have interest in stunts on the river. I just want to maneuver safely down the river. I would say my wife and I are more interested in going river trekking. We want to get dropped off a hundred or so miles up river and kayak down and camp along tge way. If I fall off my boat I'll just float past the rapids and get back on when it's safe. No big deal. I don't plan on doing anything crazy.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by Displaced in the Desert on Sat 13 Jul 2013, 11:20 am

I would suggest a couple of days on a lake, Little dell is close and no power boats, just to get used to the boat.  Then maybe a trip on the Jorden.  It is also very close and has enough moving water to give you the feel.
From there try ther Weber from the Railroad bridge down to Taggert falls.  It has more current and riffles, but nothing big and long with only a couple of easy drops.

One thing in Utah is that there are not a lot of places to do the kind of trekking you have described.  There are some, they require a permit in advance and the shuttles are hard unless your going in a group with multiple vehicles.

Since you like to fish I would suggest the South Fork of the Snake as a must do.  Swan Valley put in and from there down to just above Heise.  Take I-15 to Idaho Falls then 26 to Swan Valley. 
It's more of an overnighter that can be streched to a couple of days, but the fishing is world class.  There is camping along the river.
There is a shuttle service in Swan Valley, called Julies, that will take your car from the put in to the take out for you.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by downhill_biker on Sat 13 Jul 2013, 11:35 am

Thanks! That all sounds amazing. I think I'm going to try the Jordan tomorrow, then do provo monday. I'm excited for threw fishing trip you mentioned, that sounds great.

Any chance anyone wants to go out with a newbie on Sunday on Jordan? My wife works but I'm dying to get out and going alone isn't safe.

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Post by downhill_biker on Sat 13 Jul 2013, 11:35 am

Thanks! That all sounds amazing. I think I'm going to try the Jordan tomorrow, then do provo monday. I'm excited for threw fishing trip you mentioned, that sounds great.

Any chance anyone wants to go out with a newbie on Sunday on Jordan? My wife works but I'm dying to get out and going alone isn't safe.

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Re: New member, just learning, help me choose kayak

Post by Displaced in the Desert on Sat 13 Jul 2013, 9:25 pm

I would, but I'm doing the Mt. Biking shuttles tomorrow up to the top of Guardsman pass.
They only run on even days.
Today would have been good.  My son and I were looking for something to do.

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